Comments on: Why Desktop Programming Is So Unproductive?

By: casa

casa — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:24:40 +0000

I found an interesting article on Ruby on Leopard at this address

http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/ruby/wiki/W....
And here is the adress of the blog of the guy that was responsible for Python and Ruby integration at Apple : http://chopine.be/lrz/diary/.>

To sumarize : bridges are now shipped with the OS.

Enjoy!

By: casa

casa — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:24:40 +0000

I found an interesting article on Ruby on Leopard at this address http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/ruby/wiki/WhatsNewInLeopard. And here is the adress of the blog of the guy that was responsible for Python and Ruby integration at Apple : http://chopine.be/lrz/diary/.

To sumarize : bridges are now shipped with the OS.

Enjoy!

By: Fred Brunel

Fred Brunel — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:26:25 +0000

Hi Michel,

Interesting. If Apple truly support these bridges within their tools that’s a very good news.

Actually, the Java bridge failed and they didn’t support it anymore. I’ve been told it was because Java is “less dynamic” than Obj-C and that lead to troubles.

On the opposite, Python and Ruby are “more dynamic” than Obj-C, so they would be a better fit.

OS X rules, I agree

By: casa

casa — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:16:27 +0000

Have a look at http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/unix.html, especially "Scripting Bridge" part.

MacOSX rules

By: casa

casa — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:49:09 +0000

Bit Torrent on MacOSX was written in Python using Obj-C binding. I think this was a great app (and still using it on my Intel box, even if it is a PPC binary). It is probably possible to write good software with Ruby too with a bridge.

I think this is a matter of habits.

By: Frederic Brunel

Frederic Brunel — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:26:25 +0000

Hi Michel,

Interesting. If Apple truly support these bridges within their tools that’s a very good news.

Actually, the Java bridge failed and they didn’t support it anymore. I’ve been told it was because Java is “less dynamic” than Obj-C and that lead to troubles.

On the opposite, Python and Ruby are “more dynamic” than Obj-C, so they would be a better fit.

OS X rules, I agree

By: casa

casa — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:16:27 +0000

Have a look at http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/unix.html, especially “Scripting Bridge” part.

MacOSX rules

By: casa

casa — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:49:09 +0000

I think this is a matter of habits.

By: Fred Brunel

Fred Brunel — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:27:28 +0000

@heri complete online software is an holy grail and I'm still a big fan of desktop software -- especially for the Mac -- the experience is totally different from the web.

Actually, I don't think both compete, an hybrid combination would make a perfect sense, i.e. iTunes Store.

By: Fred Brunel

Fred Brunel — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:22:27 +0000

@david Thanks for your comment. Despite my negative feedback, I also think that Cocoa is a great framework given its low-level nature.

I gave a try to CoreData two years ago and it was not that bad -- the lack of programming abstraction is compensated by the tools.

The command-line program was just for the matter of example, I would not used Cocoa to do that kind of job.