BUY Acular ONLINE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION http://fredbrunel.com/journal/2005/12/the-reddit-scandal-uncovered-the-problems-of-the-lisp-community/ Insights about high-tech software and web business Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:06:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 BUY Acular ONLINE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION http://fredbrunel.com/journal/2005/12/the-reddit-scandal-uncovered-the-problems-of-the-lisp-community/comment-page-1/#comment-16 Frederic Brunel Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:56:52 +0000 http://fredbrunel.com/journal/?p=76#comment-16 <p>Sorry about that. I fixed it.</p> <p>Thank you.</p> Sorry about that. I fixed it.

Thank you.

]]> BUY Acular ONLINE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION http://fredbrunel.com/journal/2005/12/the-reddit-scandal-uncovered-the-problems-of-the-lisp-community/comment-page-1/#comment-21647 Fred Brunel Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:56:52 +0000 http://fredbrunel.com/journal/?p=76#comment-21647 <p>Sorry about that. I fixed it.<br><br>Thank you.</p> Sorry about that. I fixed it.

Thank you.

]]> BUY Acular ONLINE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION http://fredbrunel.com/journal/2005/12/the-reddit-scandal-uncovered-the-problems-of-the-lisp-community/comment-page-1/#comment-15 Rob Lally Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:04:17 +0000 http://fredbrunel.com/journal/?p=76#comment-15 <p>Just a small correction Rob Lally ... not Tally.</p> <p>Yours,</p> <p>Rob Lally</p> Just a small correction Rob Lally … not Tally.

Yours,

Rob Lally

]]> BUY Acular ONLINE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION http://fredbrunel.com/journal/2005/12/the-reddit-scandal-uncovered-the-problems-of-the-lisp-community/comment-page-1/#comment-21646 Rob Lally Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:04:17 +0000 http://fredbrunel.com/journal/?p=76#comment-21646 <p>Just a small correction Rob Lally ... not Tally.<br><br>Yours,<br><br>Rob Lally</p> Just a small correction Rob Lally … not Tally.

Yours,

Rob Lally

]]> BUY Acular ONLINE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION http://fredbrunel.com/journal/2005/12/the-reddit-scandal-uncovered-the-problems-of-the-lisp-community/comment-page-1/#comment-13 Frederic Brunel Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:03:50 +0000 http://fredbrunel.com/journal/?p=76#comment-13 <p>Aah, now I understand why the post sounds familiar to me! :) But you're right, there is a clear constrast between my opinions.</p> <p>In 2003, I though I would see big changes in 2005 and I've spent a lot of time to evangelise Common Lisp all around me. Actually I'm quite dissapointed to see where we stand today and what other communities manage to build in the same time.</p> Aah, now I understand why the post sounds familiar to me! :) But you’re right, there is a clear constrast between my opinions.

In 2003, I though I would see big changes in 2005 and I’ve spent a lot of time to evangelise Common Lisp all around me. Actually I’m quite dissapointed to see where we stand today and what other communities manage to build in the same time.

]]> BUY Acular ONLINE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION http://fredbrunel.com/journal/2005/12/the-reddit-scandal-uncovered-the-problems-of-the-lisp-community/comment-page-1/#comment-21645 Fred Brunel Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:03:50 +0000 http://fredbrunel.com/journal/?p=76#comment-21645 <p>Aah, now I understand why the post sounds familiar to me! :) But you're right, there is a clear constrast between my opinions.<br><br>In 2003, I though I would see big changes in 2005 and I've spent a lot of time to evangelise Common Lisp all around me. Actually I'm quite dissapointed to see where we stand today and what other communities manage to build in the same time.</p> Aah, now I understand why the post sounds familiar to me! :) But you’re right, there is a clear constrast between my opinions.

In 2003, I though I would see big changes in 2005 and I’ve spent a lot of time to evangelise Common Lisp all around me. Actually I’m quite dissapointed to see where we stand today and what other communities manage to build in the same time.

]]> BUY Acular ONLINE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION http://fredbrunel.com/journal/2005/12/the-reddit-scandal-uncovered-the-problems-of-the-lisp-community/comment-page-1/#comment-12 Zach Beane Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:29:29 +0000 http://fredbrunel.com/journal/?p=76#comment-12 <p>I posted it originally under the title "Frederic Brunel circa 2003", and it was taken verbatim from a comp.lang.lisp post by a person named "Frederic Brunel". It was intended to present a humorous contrast between your current skeptical, pessimistic, and critical attitude of 2005 and your happy, optimistic, and happy-go-lucky attitude of 2003. I'm afraid the subsequent edit makes that less clear.</p> I posted it originally under the title “Frederic Brunel circa 2003″, and it was taken verbatim from a comp.lang.lisp post by a person named “Frederic Brunel”. It was intended to present a humorous contrast between your current skeptical, pessimistic, and critical attitude of 2005 and your happy, optimistic, and happy-go-lucky attitude of 2003. I’m afraid the subsequent edit makes that less clear.

]]> BUY Acular ONLINE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION http://fredbrunel.com/journal/2005/12/the-reddit-scandal-uncovered-the-problems-of-the-lisp-community/comment-page-1/#comment-21644 Zach Beane Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:29:29 +0000 http://fredbrunel.com/journal/?p=76#comment-21644 <p>I posted it originally under the title "Frederic Brunel circa 2003", and it was taken verbatim from a comp.lang.lisp post by a person named "Frederic Brunel". It was intended to present a humorous contrast between your current skeptical, pessimistic, and critical attitude of 2005 and your happy, optimistic, and happy-go-lucky attitude of 2003. I'm afraid the subsequent edit makes that less clear.</p> I posted it originally under the title “Frederic Brunel circa 2003″, and it was taken verbatim from a comp.lang.lisp post by a person named “Frederic Brunel”. It was intended to present a humorous contrast between your current skeptical, pessimistic, and critical attitude of 2005 and your happy, optimistic, and happy-go-lucky attitude of 2003. I’m afraid the subsequent edit makes that less clear.

]]> BUY Acular ONLINE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION http://fredbrunel.com/journal/2005/12/the-reddit-scandal-uncovered-the-problems-of-the-lisp-community/comment-page-1/#comment-10 Frederic Brunel Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:41:55 +0000 http://fredbrunel.com/journal/?p=76#comment-10 <p>Thanks for your comment but I didn't get your point. Don't get me wrong, I'm a user Common Lisp and I'm also a member of a Lisp working group in Bordeaux, France so I know it very well.</p> <p>I totally agree with you that there is a lot of valuable material in the community but I'm just saying that some recurrent problems keep plaguing the community and the credibility of Common Lisp.</p> <p>The different implementations of the language is one of the issues. The lack of packaging and bad API design of some modules (i.e: ASDF) is another one. Some people like Edi Weitz are very sensitive to these "social" aspects of software and take care of users. As a result, its libraries have all been quickly adopted (i.e: <a href="http://www.weitz.de/cl-ppcre/">CL-PPCRE</a>) by the community. Other communities understood that for a long time.</p> <p>I have big respect for guys behind SBCL and I really hope it will become the open source reference implementation of Common Lisp. </p> <p>That said, I also came by another blog post that share my points "<a href="http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/8721">Why Lisp Still Hasn't Won</a>". These comments should be taken as advices for improving Common Lisp.</p> Thanks for your comment but I didn’t get your point. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a user Common Lisp and I’m also a member of a Lisp working group in Bordeaux, France so I know it very well.

I totally agree with you that there is a lot of valuable material in the community but I’m just saying that some recurrent problems keep plaguing the community and the credibility of Common Lisp.

The different implementations of the language is one of the issues. The lack of packaging and bad API design of some modules (i.e: ASDF) is another one. Some people like Edi Weitz are very sensitive to these “social” aspects of software and take care of users. As a result, its libraries have all been quickly adopted (i.e: CL-PPCRE) by the community. Other communities understood that for a long time.

I have big respect for guys behind SBCL and I really hope it will become the open source reference implementation of Common Lisp.

That said, I also came by another blog post that share my points “Why Lisp Still Hasn’t Won“. These comments should be taken as advices for improving Common Lisp.

]]> BUY Acular ONLINE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION http://fredbrunel.com/journal/2005/12/the-reddit-scandal-uncovered-the-problems-of-the-lisp-community/comment-page-1/#comment-21643 Fred Brunel Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:41:55 +0000 http://fredbrunel.com/journal/?p=76#comment-21643 <p>Thanks for your comment but I didn't get your point. Don't get me wrong, I'm a user Common Lisp and I'm also a member of a Lisp working group in Bordeaux, France so I know it very well.<br><br>I totally agree with you that there is a lot of valuable material in the community but I'm just saying that some recurrent problems keep plaguing the community and the credibility of Common Lisp.<br><br>The different implementations of the language is one of the issues. The lack of packaging and bad API design of some modules (i.e: ASDF) is another one. Some people like Edi Weitz are very sensitive to these "social" aspects of software and take care of users. As a result, its libraries have all been quickly adopted (i.e: <a href="http://www.weitz.de/cl-ppcre/">CL-PPCRE</a>) by the community. Other communities understood that for a long time.<br><br>I have big respect for guys behind SBCL and I really hope it will become the open source reference implementation of Common Lisp. <br><br>That said, I also came by another blog post that share my points "<a href="http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/8721">Why Lisp Still Hasn't Won</a>". These comments should be taken as advices for improving Common Lisp.</p> Thanks for your comment but I didn’t get your point. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a user Common Lisp and I’m also a member of a Lisp working group in Bordeaux, France so I know it very well.

I totally agree with you that there is a lot of valuable material in the community but I’m just saying that some recurrent problems keep plaguing the community and the credibility of Common Lisp.

The different implementations of the language is one of the issues. The lack of packaging and bad API design of some modules (i.e: ASDF) is another one. Some people like Edi Weitz are very sensitive to these “social” aspects of software and take care of users. As a result, its libraries have all been quickly adopted (i.e: CL-PPCRE) by the community. Other communities understood that for a long time.

I have big respect for guys behind SBCL and I really hope it will become the open source reference implementation of Common Lisp.

That said, I also came by another blog post that share my points “Why Lisp Still Hasn’t Won“. These comments should be taken as advices for improving Common Lisp.

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